Don’t Hate the Player
- January 20th, 2010
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(First Published at The Spearhead)
Denise Romano v. The Seduction Community
Denise Romano is no friend of pick-up artists. Ms. Romano has accused pick-up artists of being abusive to women. She claims that Game represents a kind of Fraud, invalidating consent for women who have sex with pick-up artists.
Ms. Romano believes that Game, and pick-up artists, are morally culpable for coercing women into having sex. She believes that Game is a kind of brainwashing, that it manipulates the will, therefore constituting sexual assault.
Denise Romano is just bitter . . .
Ms. Romano argues ad nauseum that Game is morally wrong. She attacks the specific terms that pick-up artists use, claiming that they objectify women. She thinks that some pick-up artists are rude, awful jackasses who use women for sex without consideration for that woman’s feelings.
On some accounts, she is right.
Ms. Romano makes a Kantian argument. Intentionally or not, she evokes the Categorical Imperative.
In the First Formulation of the Categorical Imperative, Kant states:
“Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.”
The first formulation is based on the “golden rule”, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. A universalizable maxim is a moral duty. A maxim must be logically consistent. It is not logical to will that you can steal from others without allowing that they can steal from you.
So don’t convince attractive people to have sex with you unless you want them to do the same.
The Second Formulation is closer to Ms. Romano’s logic:
“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end and never merely as a means to an end.”
This second formulation more specifically addresses Ms. Romano’s objection to Game and the Seduction Community. Her real objection is that pick-up artists use women for sex without regard for their inherent moral value as persons (i.e. moral agents; people are capable of making moral choices, and therefore have moral worth).
If I were a Kantian, I would care.
The premise that seduction is inherently abusive assumes that people have a moral duty to one another. Where does this moral duty come from? Is there a divine law that we mustn’t break? Does the power of Christ compel us?
No it doesn’t.
There is no such thing as moral obligation. Morality is a social construct, an abstraction grown out of the human aversion to pain and death. Right and wrong amount to personal injury and property damage.
How can this be? If this were the case – if the world were, in fact, amoral – then life would be horrible! We would all live in constant fear of pain and death. The truth is, we do. The world is a dangerous place. It does not care about your pain.
Only you do.
Each of us recognizes the fact that such an existence – one of constant fear and danger – is miserable. Each of us accepts, if only tacitly, a kind of great truce with our fellow man. Thomas Hobbes calls it the Second Law of Nature:
” . . . that a man be willing, when others are so too, as far forth as for peace and defence of himself he shall think it necessary, to lay down this right to all things; and be contented with so much liberty against other men as he would allow other men against himself.” – The Leviathan; Chapter XIV
There it is again, the Golden Rule. The difference here is that Hobbes isn’t concerned with universalizable maxims. Hobbes suggests that we shouldn’t run around bonking each other over the head and stealing one another’s shit because a world like that would be miserable.
That does not mean we are obligated in any way to treat other persons with regard for their moral agency. It means we must treat them with regard for their ability to kill us and take our shit.
See the difference?
Society is not based on altruistic principles, but on self-interest. Each of us are responsible for our own well-being. We are not obliged to worry about the wants or needs of others, except when we choose to.
As far as Game is concerned, Consent is the extent of the Law.
Here is where Ms. Romano’s argument thickens. She holds that Game is a kind of Fraud, therefore legally invalidating any Consent given.
Ms. Romano’s premise relies upon the fact that Game is a form of deception. Pick-up artists will often use a variety of deceitful practices in order to seduce a woman. They adopt persona cultivated to entice women, they use canned material that is often little more than phony stories, they may lie about their names or facts about their lives.
Pick-up artists lie their asses off.
The problem is that lying and Fraud are not the same thing. People lie all the time, and are guilty of nothing more than bad taste. Pick-up artists lie and are guilty of nothing more than being douche bags.
Women wear flattering clothing to hide their flaws. They use make-up to conceal blemishes and padded bras to accentuate their breasts. They tell men all kinds of things to attract them, and sometimes they lie.
Does any of this constitute Fraud? No.
Fraud: A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.
Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant’s actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact, (2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.
Elements 1-4 are clear; they outline the constituent parts of a lie. Element 5 is where things get tricky. In order for a lie to constitute Fraud, it must cause injury. Specifically, the victim must be deprived of rights or property. Furthermore, any lies must be false “statements of fact”.
Opinions and qualitative statements don’t count.
When a woman has sex with a pick-up artist, she is not buying a sales pitch or exchanging goods or services. She is engaging in consensual sex. Sex is straight-forward, what you see is what you get. There is no false advertising once the clothes come off.
Buyers beware.
One sticking point here concerns STDs; a person who knowingly endangers another without making their partner aware of their condition beforehand obviates that person’s ability to make an informed decision.
. . . And if you’re having unprotected sex or being incautious with your body, shame on you.
In most cases, when someone goes home with a person they have just met, they do so at their own peril. If bad sex or a smirch on your reputation is the worst that happens, count your blessings. Consider the ramifications of your actions before you act, there is no RESET button.
Denise Romano’s argument is the argument of a bitter woman looking to obviate her own responsibility for having slept with someone she regrets. I am not stating that this is actually the case. I don’t care.
Game is just nerdy guys trying to get laid. It isn’t magic. It isn’t hypnosis. It certainly isn’t sexual assault. It’s just a game.
If women want to stand on equal footing with men then they have to accept the fact that, when they wake up next to a Gorgon, maybe they should have said No to that last shot of Jagermeister.
As for Denise Romano, maybe she should stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
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As usual, the Spearhead got it wrong.
If you want to see what I really think, please visit my blog: eqwithdenise.wordpress.com or view the discussion on what is wrong with the PUA industry on Lady Raine’s blog on wordpress.
The Spearhead is full of ignorant men who hate women and who are incapable of critical thinking skills. They actually believe that all women hate men and are out to harm men.
Not at all.
We love men. We love men so much that we don’t want to see any of you charged with sexual assault or sexually assaulting women because some idiot PUA guru gamed you into spending alot of money on ridiculous untrue ideas about women.
We see the PUA industry as exploiting the fears and insecurities of good men, using cult-like methods to suck men into an irresponsible industry that negligently does not even mention anything about consent or its importance and instead teaches violative and assaultive concepts such as ASD and LMR – which can easily result in sexual assault and rape.
PUA trainers are not psychologists and have no psychological training – their legally necessary fine print says they are “entertainers” yet they continually bill themselves as “dating scientists” and talk about “female psychology” as though there is such a thing.
Try to evolve. Seriously. Men are capable of much better than this. Arguing that men are not beholden to any moral or ethical code is a weak position; you’re only proving that women everywhere need to be warned about how to spot PUAs a mile away and buy the t-shrits we’ll soon be selling – GAME OVER with a big red circle and the letters PUA in the middle with a red line through them.
Maybe then you’ll get the message that you’ve all been taught alot of garbage in your boot camps and classes.
As for being bitter; not at all. I’m pretty thrilled with my life and my love life.
What is so disturbing that is the incredible ignorance we’ve seen from PUAs and MRAs about STDs, female anatomy, sexual assault and rape laws, and a disturbing eagerness to refuse all responsibility for their own behavior and hold women responsible for the results of that bad behavior.
Grow up. Real men do not behave in such ways. Real men do not beleive that all women hate men or are out to harm them. Real men do not need to manipulate, trick, or coerce women into having sex with them.
Denise
Denise,
First, I should point out that I don’t claim to speak for the Spearhead or represent it. While this article was published there, it was on my agenda.
As for what you and Lady Raine have had to say, I have read it. I wasn’t impressed. You talk about critical thinking skills, but your argument is a tangle of logical fallacies.
The worst offense has to be the pleading of authority. Your whole argument is a straw-man based on one uncharitable reading of one snippet of legal language concerning consent under duress. I counted three graduate degrees on your website, none of which was a Juris Doctor. You’ve got an MFA in writing, but your grasp of how to write a syllogism is shaky.
You can mince words all you like, but you’re no more qualified to dispense legal advise than I am. Furthermore, unrelated links to “hypnosis as a date rape drug” and one completely unrelated domestic abuse case study are laughable attempts at qualifying your argument.
Come back with a point and I’ll gladly debate either of you. I might even take my tongue out of my cheek.
This is interesting. First off, the picture made me sweat a little. Thanks for that… wow.
I am not a feminist and there are few things in the world I hate more than when feminists try to speak on “my” behalf as if they know what’s best for me. No woman who has a solid brain between her ears is going to be “suckered” into bed with any man who’s a lying piece of shit, unless she WANTS to. I don’t know where the idea of “sexual assault and rape” is coming into play on your radar screen as it relates to PUA techniques. In my opinion, it’s nothing more than a psychological mind game and no one is going to “trick” me into bed if I’m not willing to go. I’ve read plenty of PUA blogs and watched The Pickup Artist series.. at no time have I read or seen anything that implies a man should ignore when a woman says no to their advances. If women go to a bar, have a few drinks and lose control enough to fuck someone they normally wouldn’t, all because some guy talked a good game… they got what they deserved. We can’t just go through life with our security in someone else’s hands. I’ve gone to bars plenty of times and at no time did anyone take advantage of me or talk me into fucking them. They may try, but I’m in control of myself. “Real men do not need to manipulate, trick, or coerce women into having sex with them.” Real women with confidence, brains and a self esteem wouldn’t be coerced into anything they didn’t want to do. By saying that men are coercing women is implying that we’re all nothing but weak-minded idiots who can’t think for ourselves. It’s time for women to get their heads out of their asses and stop putting so much trust into men they hardly know. They can talk all the game they want, in the end it’s the women who give in. Women have been playing mind games on men since the beginning of time. I think it’s high time men started to be a little more creative and stopped relying on “do you come here often?” Or “can I buy you a drink?” I’d like to hear a man try and run a game on me. I think it would be a fun game of mind chess. So please, speak for yourself and stop generalizing that all women feel this way. We don’t.
I don’t see game as a way of tricking and coercing women into bed, from what I have learned I have been able to overcome my own personal social lacking, spending years as an ‘omega’ does nothing for your social life and as a way of bringing myself up to speed I have been using PUA material to learn how to have an interesting conversation other than asking the same old bored questions.